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stamp for an individual, on rental agreement

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Is it possible to get a stamp for an individual, not for a company, in order to put it on rental agreement and to confirm the paynment?

What details are necessary on the paper that it could be recognised in EU as a receipt.

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Re: stamp for an individual, on rental agreement

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Hi gintare and welcome to the forum,

Yes - I believe you get a revenue stamp from the Post Office and I think the fee depends on how much rent you are paying - the tax office will be able to advise you.

As for receipts, you can get receipt books from many stationers/bookshops.

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Rental agreement cancellation

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I would like to ask what can be done in the following situation.

I rented a flat the per owner permission to subrent it for tourism business.
But after staying one night, i have understood that it is very noisy.
I have returned the key for the owner and now i am searching for another flat.

The owner did not returned my 600 EUR.
What can i do?

I went to police. They also have refused to accept the even.

WHAT SHOULD I DO?

I believe it is huge cheating. Owner simply want to get 600 EUR, for nothing.
Everyone has a right to return the good if they are not satisfied with the quality. Sleep takes 40% percent of time. I should not pay 400 EUR for sleeping a month in this appartment i loose my 200 EUR deposit. It is not fair.
The person who rents do not understand what is noise, what it is than you hear people from another room, or you can hear a clock i nthe kitchen from the another room.



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Re: Rental agreement cancellation

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Is there a written agreement? If so, what are its provisions about the termination of the agreement / deposit?
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Re: Rental agreement cancellation

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There is no a provision in the rental agreement if i leave in the first day of stay.

It is understandable that such an agreement is a cheating. Flat is like a purchase, if i ask for a quite flat, it must be quite.
It is not quite, i have left the next morning after coming to sleep at 22:00 and i should be fully refunded because i have lost 10 days while i get it.

I have asked in the beginning to try one night if flat is quite : they did not permit, although sleep takes 40% of life and for tourist who wants to get a rest, sleep may last 60%.

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Re: Rental agreement cancellation

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Dear gintare

If it states in your rental agreement that the apartment will be quiet, then you have every reason to argue your case and get your money back.

But if the agreement makes no mention of the flat being quiet, then you do not have a case.

It is essential to make sure that any contract/agreement you sign includes everything you've agreed verbally.

And if you rent in a tourist development, of course it will be noisy. If you want somewhere quiet, rent in a residential area.

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Re: Rental agreement cancellation

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Rental agreement does not state many things, also furniture in the flat. The property is not described and photographed. Dates are wrong. The things which we have agreed in words are not mentioned.

I could cheat in many steps, exchange furniture, etc...
I do not do this, because i am fair person. if i return the next day after trying to sleep because i was not able to sleep - they should return me money back.

It is understandable that rental agreement which was provided for me is is a cheating, and that agent and owner should be at margin of prison consideration.
I can not live in the flat, i can not make business. I have lost 10 days.

The procedure of renting is like any other procedures which people buy, like medicine, taxi, food, cloth, computers, etc... I should feel comfortably because agreement is about 5000 EUR or 800 EUR per month. It is huge money. h

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Re: Rental agreement cancellation

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I think that it is not so easy to request your deposit on the base of fraudulent misrepresentations in this kind of cases; normally we have to be very careful of the agreements we enter into. However, you could try to instruct a lawyer to send a letter; it might work on the psychological base and get your money back.
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Is there some customers organization? Rental agreements org

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thanks for the advice.
i have no money for the lawyer.

Is there some customers organization? Rental agreements organization? in Cyprus?

I am a customer and i feel that i was cheated.

Renting is a service which has to have some regulations. It can not be kind of cheating. That i was cheated is understandable in human mind.

I have lot of problems because of the agent and owner,
part of costs (electricity, water and internet deposits) were not told clearly for me when i was forwarding money,
it was not permitted to try the noise - i.e. to stay one night,
it was not clause about leaving on the next day if i find the apartment too noisy,
there was wrong statements on the rental agreement comparing to that we agreed in words:
for example we agreed that i sub-rent the apartment, the sentence about sub-renting was added in English in written- nevertheless Greek translation of the Greek text have showed that there is a sentence that i can not sub-rent the flat;
there was no clause for a noise although i asked for a silent apartment.

The rental agreement was only in Greek language.

I have got the apartment without the electricity and internet.
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Hi gintare

I suggest you contact the Cyprus Consumers' Association at http://www.cyprusconsumers.org.cy/en/ with your complaint.

Also, see the advice from JaneDoe at http://www.cyprus-property-buyers.com/f ... 4294#p4294

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Thanks JaneDoe

Do you think it wise for someone who is looking to rent a property to have a lawyer draw up or at least check the agreement - or would the cost be prohibitive? It may help to avoid these situations arising.

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Property renting is a service. It is not a game who is able

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Property renting is a service.
It is not a game who is able to cheat whom.


Is there some customers rights organization in Cyprus?

The money return should not be based on the agreement. It is my right to get them back if after staying the first night i find that it is noisy. I did not stay the first four nights (Fr-Mnd) because there was no electricity.

The lawyers should also react. The law implements fair competition, legal rules for trades, etc....


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Re: Rental agreement cancellation

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Nigel Howarth wrote:Thanks JaneDoe

Do you think it wise for someone who is looking to rent a property to have a lawyer draw up or at least check the agreement - or would the cost be prohibitive? It may help to avoid these situations arising.

Regards,
Nigel, the costs depend on the lawyer, but the most of the times the legal fee is indeed prohibitive for many legal works including drafting or reviewing of a simple rental agreement. Many owners have their own standard one-page rental agreements and give them to all their tenants. Many tenants use internet templates and create their own tenancy agreements which may be better than the agreements prepared by some lawyers. The tenants are considered to be well protected by the laws (as the vulnerable party), but this does not mean that they can sign anything even documents in languages that they do not understand! Of course, if the premises we need must have specific characteristics, then carefully inspecting the premises before reserved the property and working on the terms of an agreement to emphasize the necessity of the existence of these characteristics, usually make our lives easier...
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Re: stamp for an individual, on rental agreement

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Property renting is a service. It is not a game who is able to cheat whom.
The money return should not be based on the agreement. It should be based on law, which should implement normal safe-guarding rules both for the tenant and for the flat owner.
It is my right to get money back if after staying the first night i find that it is noisy.

I can not enclose the rental agreement, because there is an option to upload a file.
Please find the complaint which i have submitted to the customers support. Maybe you have more advices.

COMPLAINT:
I wanted to rent a flat
for a year for tourism business and living, and was asking for a quite flat. I also have asked for permission to stay one
night in order to evaluate the noise. The one night stay was not permitted and i was guaranteed that the flat is not noisin
words, although there was no clause about the noise in the rental agreement. The flat owner and the renting agent have
cheated me by not returning the money after i refused to stay when find out that flat is noisy:
when i slept in the room – i hear the clock from the kitchen,
when i slept in the room – i hear the noise of the cars from 6:00 AM in the morning, and also in the evening until 23:00
= 11 PM.
is it obvious that when a couple will be talking in one room, the person in another room will hear them,
it is also possible that people in sleeping rooms will hear the noise from shower, kitchen and TV.
ENCLOSED:
Photos of the rental agreement.
Photos of the owner bank statement.
Photos of the receipts.
Conversation with police, because he refused to take an official complaint for not returned 600 EUR.
DESCRIPTION:
I met the renting agent on 4th October.
COMPLAINT by Gintare Statkute, Complaint for taking and not returning 600 EUR, 2013-10-22, Larnaca, Cyprus
Saturday, 5th October, during the midday the flat was shown for me – in Saturday midday it is quite there. I made a
money transfer to acquaintance in the Cyprus on the same day evening.
On Tuesday, 8th October, morning rental agent called me and asked for the money – i said that they did not come and
refused the flat saying that i can not guarantee when money come and thus i can not ask them to keep the flat for me.
On Wednesday , 9th October, i wrote the message to the rental agent saying the same- that they do not keep the flat
because i do not know when money arrives.
On Friday, 11th October, the money have arrived, we met at electrical station, i have signed the contract, but they did
not keep the row and i have got the flat without the electricity.We also made a key and water agreement. When we went
to flat we read the contract with the owner, find out not mentioned details. It becomes dark fast thus i left the flat to stay
with friends, because i need electricity and Internet for my work.
I come to flat for several hours on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday 12th - 15th October for the cleaning, ordering the
things and sheets on the pillows, preparing tourism shell. I did not stay in the flat longer than 2-3 hours, only as long as
it takes to clean. I managed to clean all the flat except the one room and its balcony.
I put electricity on my name on Tuesday 15th October.
I come to stay for the night from Tuesday to Wednesday 15th - 16th October night. Find out that it is very noisy, which is
possible to evaluate if one stays longer alone and feels the surroundings, better tries to sleep in the evening and wakes
up from the noise of the cars in the next day morning. I did not felt the nose while i was cleaning, because i am not
sensitive when i work. This noise feels only if i relax and want to sit silently and to drink a Coffey, and especially it
feels when wakes up in the morning. I can not make a tourism in this flat for the customers which i am at, because i am
to working people who wants to get a rest.
RENTAL AGREEMENT FAULTS:
I am fair. When i work i guarantee for quality and i do not cheat. The rental agreement is the example of cheating and
not-responsibility:
1. it is difficult to understand the names and the address;
2. there was no clause that i can sub-rent the rooms – we add this in written;
3. there was a clause No.4 forbidding to sub-rent, which we stroke away after 3 hours with the flat owner after
signing the agreement;
4. there was no a clause about the silence of the flat, although it was the main my requirement. I was requiring the
silent flat. Although it is 3 bedroom apartment and i pay rent of 400 EUR per month, i can use for the tourism
only one room, because tourists will make noise and hear the tourists in the other room, shower and kitchen;
5. There was no a clause if i return the flat after a day or after a week because i do not like it because of the noise
or other faults like water, electricity, humidity, safeness of the place to walk in the evening, etc....
6. BELOW is described HOW it is important to tell all needed money and to give a flat in condition suitable for
living and to force person strictly to evaluate the noise on the first day of the renting. If i would wait for the
second money transfer i would get them only on 20 th or 22 nd October. Thus i would find out that flat it
noisy only 23rd-24 th October, after 12-14 days from the rental agreement signing.
COMPLAINT by Gintare Statkute, Complaint for taking and not returning 600 EUR, 2013-10-22, Larnaca, Cyprus
Although i have signed the agreement on Friday 11th October, i could not live in it, because it had no electricity
and internet, which i need for my work with laptop, because during the renting we did not manage to put
electricity in time, because they did not told me in fast to take a passport and did not bring by the car to my
living place in order to get a passport and agent did not kept the row for the electricity. I was late on foots with
passport 5 min for the electricity deposit.
Moreover, it was not told for me clearly by the renting agent how much money i need to transfer to be able to
live in the flat. I was told 600 EUR, although it is needed 880 including water, electricity and Internet deposits. I
had 880 EUR on Friday because i have transferred additional 340 EUR for buying sheets for tourist and for the
advertisements printing – but i have spend them until Monday morning. If i would wait for the second money
transfer i would get them only on 20th or 22nd October. Thus i would find out that flat it noisy only 23rd-24th
October, after 12-14 days from the rental agreement signing. By accident, i have met the person who borrowed
my money on Tuesday 15th October2013 , and i could pay for the electricity deposit on Tuesday 15th October
2013 and move to live in the flat on Tuesday night and find out after trying to fall asleep how noisy it is.
7. The state of the flat and the property was not documented properly;
8. I have got rental agreement only in the Greek language, which i do not understand fluently.
9. Although i have payed 600 EUR, i did not seethe ID or passport of the owner and the agent. These people did
not introduce them-self properly.
Such rental agreement is not valid and it is not legal. It is not an agreement. It is a cheating of responsible person, by
not-responsible people. All renting procedure went very fast, just you like, you take. Any good can be returned if it
does not corresponds to the needs. If one buys tee-shirts it is written if they are cotton, the size, washing T, if colours
spreads. All these things has to be true, otherwise one can return the sheets back. I return the flat because i can see at
once, after staying the first nigh, that it is not suitable for my living and for my tourism business.
PSYCHOLOGICAL CHARACTER of people:
The owner keeps money and do not return them, he is not eligible for renting, it is the same as the cashier would not
give the change. Nobody in customer sphere behaves like this. It is obviously not for his mind to serve customers in
'way which is understandable in fair business'. If i rent i tell to people in advance how noisy is the flat and the
environment. I would take recordings and would describe that tenant will hear people in the another room, etc.. Indeed,
the flat owner cheats - he tells the that it is silent.
The agent does not make correct agreement, does not keep the row in electricity, does not tell me to take Identity Card
when i go to electricity. I am not a specialist in flat rent thus i do not understand and know all deposits, offices working
hours, which documents i have to present, and i also do not understand about the noise, because i have never
experienced the noise in my apartments where i have lived previously. The agent do not have flat properties check-list,
where it is clear flat properties. He just rents out the property and takes the signature. I do not feel that i have got that i
was asking.
COMPLAINT by Gintare Statkute, Complaint for taking and not returning 600 EUR, 2013-10-22, Larnaca, Cyprus
DAMAGES i have experienced:
1) I have lost 4 days while i was cleaning the flat, printing advertisements for tourists, uploading it to websites, going
forth and back between my living place and the flat. I could not live and work in the flat because i need the electricity.
2) When the money was not returned for me on Wednesday 15th - 16th October, i could not rent another flat, thus i could
not make tourism business and loose each day about 50-200 EUR - i already have lost 6 days = 300-1200 EUR. The
season finished and day after the day the prices drops and there are no tourist to rent the property. I do not want to keep
the flat only for one month, because during the October, although hard working and wasting the time, i may barely earn
the 600 EUR back. I want to rent the flat for a year and get positive references and that each customer would invite
another 5 customers, that they or their acquaintances would be coming also during the winter.
Although I have stayed one night, but it was the not cleaned room, i had no electricity and Internet and i come just to
sleep and could not fall asleep and was waken wake up by the noise. Thus it can not be counted as payed rent for one
night. Moreover i have cleaned the other two rooms, balcony and the kitchen for free. I also have made 6 additional
keys for 10 EUR and have left them for the flat owner for free.
ADDITIONAL DETAILS:
The last 6 years from 2007 July until 2013 January i was kept with a device which generates noise under the tortures.
My mind is damaged. thus i need time to understand the things which are said. It has to be explained very clear and
slow. I also have heard week sound until now time at a time, also in Cyprus.
I also believe that it is possible to manipulate people with the electronics in the head. Thus this rental agreement looks
for me as artificial situation. I feel that i was manipulated when i rented a flat, that flat owner is also damaged by such a
device because he seems fair, nevertheless he does not return money and persistently blocks his mind to keep money for
him, although i refuse to rent his flat because of the noise. The rental agent also seems damaged, because although from
the conversation it is fair person, he does not describes noise correct and do not give time to understand the situation, he
push to sign and to rent instead of giving time to think and to understand what kind of property it is and if i need it.
gintare statkute , 2013-10-22, Larnaca
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Re: stamp for an individual, on rental agreement

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Hi gintare

You will need the services of a lawyer if you wish to pursue this matter further

I notice you said that the apartment was noisy because you heard a clock in the kitchen and cars from 06:00 until 23:00. This is hardly cause for complaint. Where I live I can hear cars, dogs, the sound of chickens, etc. Unless you're prepared to live in an anechoic chamber you will hear the sound of others. And if you're in an apartment you will hear your neighbours - regardless of what country your living in.

Did you do any market research on the tourist business? How many weeks occupancy were you expecting? You should know that there are thousands of apartments for rent and your chances of finding any tenants extremely slim.

Why did you sign a contract that you didn't understand?

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